Sunday, November 26, 2006

What is the point of all of this nanny state stuff

Thu 23 Nov 2006
Big Brother is watching you!
SMOKERS stubbing out cigarettes in the street have been chased by environmental wardens armed with cameras in a city centre litter crackdown.
A council team has been scouring the Old Town this week trying to catch litter louts in the act, a drive which has raised more than a few eyebrows.
One girl was stopped and quizzed after discarding the end of her sandwich, while another untidy citizen was reprimanded during his music class after being followed by the wardens.
And the keen-as-mustard environmental officers even attempted to track a diner to an Old Town restaurant after he was spotted throwing away his cigarette.

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The council today defended the use of mobile cameras alongside the highly-visible wardens, and said the crackdown reassured local businesses and residents.
The Evening News joined traders and commuters watching in slight bemusement yesterday morning as the CCTV van parked up on George IV bridge.
Two large pivoted cameras and several smaller ones filmed passers-by, while at least two pairs of environmental wardens patrolled the streets.
Simon Angelosanto, 21, who works in the Elephant House coffee shop on George IV bridge, said: "It is a total waste of money - I dread to think what that van costs. They just sit there waiting for an unsuspecting member of public to be caught on camera dropping litter."
He said a friend had been caught out by the environmental wardens this week in the Grassmarket area.
"They interrupted his music class at Sound Control because they saw him dropping litter and he was given a £50 fine," he said.
Staff at an Old Town restaurant revealed that environmental wardens came in looking for a suspected litter lout. One worker said: "They came in and said they saw someone in an orange jacket throwing a cigarette and coming into the restaurant.
"They asked if we had any workmen on site, but we hadn't seen this man. It was just so bizarre."
Alice White, 18, who also works at the Elephant House, said: "My friend was eating a sandwich and she chucked her last bit of bread on the ground and they tried to fine her, but in the end they didn't.
"What's going to happen is the same as what happens with speed cameras - if people see these cameras and wardens then they're obviously not going to drop litter round here."
Smoker Michael Grant, 20, who also works on George IV bridge, said the cameras were "a bit extreme" and added: "It's definitely a bit 'Big Brother'.
But trader Abdul Mula, 33, who runs Mediterranean Gate on George IV bridge, is delighted the council is doing something.
"I think it's great," he said. "The cigarette ends are the worst. I think it's good that they're giving out fines because it might make people stop."
George Gear, 40, from Kirkliston, agreed the operation was a good idea. He said: "I think anything that keeps people on their toes is a good thing. Saying that, if I got lumbered with a £50 fine, I don't think I'd be very happy."
The CCTV unit, which is operated in partnership between the council and the police, has been used on a weekly basis in the Capital since 2004.
Sheila Gilmore, executive member for community safety, said: "Technology such as CCTV helps us to identify possible offences which otherwise may not have been picked up by the human eye.
"The presence of the mobile CCTV unit, which is a marked council vehicle, not only stands to reassure local business owners and residents but also to act as a deterrent to possible offenders.
"This is reinforced by the highly visible environmental wardens who work on the streets."
The council has issued 4847 fixed penalty tickets for littering and fly-tipping offences and 648 dog-fouling fixed penalties since October 2001.


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Anonymous said...

The question we should be asking is this:

"why should smokers HAVE to be policed?"

If smokers in general didn't throw their butts on the ground or put their cigarettes out with their feet, then there wouldn't be a need to encforce the littering law - for them anyway.

Cigarette butts are litter, and the people who throw them on the ground are just as bad as the pigs who can't be bothered to put their rubbish in a bin.

All it takes is just a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T which unfortunately, is getting harder and harder to find no matter where in the world you are.

BTW I am in Sydney, Australia and people here are fined for throwing cigarette butts out too. Respectable smokers carry their own personal ashtray........


Middle Child said...

I have never Smoked CarolB and recall in the early '70's being surrounded by heavy smokers and hating it. Now I now no smokers personally...but recognise that there are still a few about.

Most who stopped smoking did so because of health and public pressure...of course anyone who litters is a pig...but as we live in one of the most regulated countries on the planet we need to think about the implications of allowing "law" makers too much power over us.

I also live in Australia and it frightens the bejesus out of me to see what efforts are put into policing parking etc littering etc...and yet people are being encouraged to become so detached from the reality of real human suffering in the house next to them, accross the street that they our so called civilised soiciety is crumbling while nancies prance about shaking their fingers at us... you can't force respect. But if you treat all you encounter with respect, then some will notice and maybe emulate your that is civilisation.